Friday, August 29, 2008

College Football Weekend August 30-31st

So uhh, how about some college football? And I know what you are saying, "Marty is a terrible writer and I couldn't be any less interested in this nonsense. Didn't I block his e-mail?" Well for starters you didn't block my e-mail, and if you did congratulations you are not reading this and I've always meant to tell you that you smell bad. Second, I apologize for any rust that comes as a result of my being left by the side of the ocean for days at a time. Also this year I'm going to take comments from the e-mails I receive as well as my co-hosted sports blog at http://www.fatkidmusings.blogspot.com/ so if anyone wants to hate on me or one another take it to the comments section there. Also if you know anyone else that would like to be added to the e-mail or you would like to be taken off just let me know and I will add or (and this is much more likely) subtract people as needed. For this weeks e-mail I'm going to cover some of the most frequently asked questions I get from people regarding college football (and my personal hygiene), how I think the major conferences are going to shape up, and the games of the week. This e-mail is a little bit late this week but I'll try to have it out by Wed from now on, also I'm going to skimp on the games of the week since there are only 2 that should be any good.

Marty who is going to win the national title?
I'll be honest I hate this question as much as I hate mushy peas, and I hate me some mushy peas trust me. I need to see all the best teams in action before I render any kind of opinion. Off the top of my head I would guess that the Ohio State Buckeyes and school for bribery and recruiting violations probably has the best chance of going back to the title game. I'll get into that a little more later. I also think that either University of Southern California school for the beautiful and popular kids whomever wins the South Eastern Conference (SEC) will have a darn good chance at playing for the title. But again until I see them play a real opponent I can't really tell how good they are, also it's impossible to tell how the ebb and flow of the season will affect teams. After all you never know who's starting quarterback will have to check into alcohol rehab, who's running back will be seeking the approval of his tutor's father who also played football at that school, who's coaches daughter will get kicked out of school for taking a test for the backup quarterback, or who's starting defensive end will get caught doing steroids and trying to do bad things all the time. That's a reference from "The Program" for those keeping track (nobody).

How do you think will be in the NFL? Where will he get drafted?
I am a terrible judge of talent when it comes to how they will project in the NFL, except for the fact that I correctly picked Vince Young to be a better NFL quarterback than Marcus Vick. That being said, I usually do pretty well with being able to tell where people will go in the draft (except for Brady Quinn a few years ago and I think we can all agree that he is a warlock and looking into his beautiful eyes causes you to overlook problems with his passing). So I'm open to questions about where or when people will get drafted, but I think I'd rather hold off for a couple of weeks until the season shapes up a bit.

Is living in Southern California amazing?
Yes, and you should endeavor to do it as soon as possible for as long as possible. There are a multitude of reasons for this but the one that is most applicable to this e-mail is that sports come on earlier in the day. So for example I got to see all the NBA finals games that I wanted (which was like 0 but they were on while I was doing something in the background) and they were all done before 9 PM. Sunday night and Monday night football gets done at a reasonable hour. All those 12 o'clock college football games come on at 9 AM here. So I can literally be watching college football 4 hours after I wake up as opposed to 7 hours after I wake up (do the math to figure out what time I get up and win a prize). Oftentimes living back in Virginia I would have to choose between watching the prime time Saturday night game or being social, and if I chose to be social I would have to watch the game on a small TV at a bar or miss the game entirely while striking out with women. Well now that game comes on at a reasonable hour and I have time to watch it and be sociable and strike out with women at my leisure. Or that prime time game comes on right as I'm doing my Saturday laundry…at the bar…which is right next to the laundromat…and it's during happy hour where pints of beer are $1.50…and they have a good jukebox…and the bartenders are really nice..and they have 3 hd tv's and it's not crowded. So all in all life pretty much sucks.

I think or is amazing and yet you give them no love.
That's not a question.

What's your top 25 teams?
I want to wait till week two or three lest there be a Michigan in the crowd ala last year. But I do think Brigham Young may be higher in reality than they are ranked now.

Major Conference Outlooks:

Atlantic Coast Conference (ACC)- I think the ACC has the potential to be one of the most fun conferences to watch. I say fun but what I really mean is that I doubt you will see any national title contenders out of it unless the Clemson Tigers , Virginia Tech Hokies (some sort of turkey thing apparently) or the Wake Forest Demon Deacons all break out of their traditional "We like to lose a big game somewhere along the path". But all in all watching who wins the conference title could be quite fun. I'd say Wake Forest has a good chance at winning it just because their schedule is very easy. But the conference really is wide open, Grand Canyon esque if you will. Top to bottom this might be the 2nd most competitive or parity laden conference in the country. You could have any number of surprise teams winning it like the Miami Hurricanes (which frankly just feels dirty talking about them as a surprise team as opposed to talking about them as felons), or the Florida State Seminoles, or any one of the teams except Duke or North Carolina or North Carolina State, because those three teams are awful and they should feel awful.

Big 10 - I like Ohio State to win this conference. I think the fighting Illini of Illinois are good but I think they will have a dropoff from last year starting this weekend at Missouri. The Penn State Nittany Lions and Wisconsin Badgers are both pretty good but Wisconsin's problem in being a real BCS contender as usual is their out of conference games (which are weaker than the lick of a kitten), and Penn State is installing a new offense that will fall flat on it's face at least once during the year. The Wolverines of Michigan might have a great program and lots of history, but they lost a talent laden senior class last year and that combined with a new coach usually means bad things. Maybe there will be a surprise team but I really think that Ohio has the talent and the experience to get back to where they were. Although on second thought Wisconsin plays Ohio State, Penn State and Illinois at home and Marshall, Akron, and Fresno State aren't that bad. But it's too late I already wrote this paragraph so I'm sticking with Ohio State.*

*I reserve the right to claim I picked Wisconsin all along when they go undefeated.

Big 12- Everyone else seems to think that the Oklahoma Sooners are just going to run away with this thing. All I can think of is their last game of the year when they got blown up by West Virginia. In the meantime I see a Missouri Tigers team that has real firepower and a senior quarterback and they only lost to Oklahoma last year. I see a Kansas Jayhawks team that was a couple silly plays away from being in the national title game last year and who beat Virginia Tech at the end of the year in a game I don't think anyone thought they would win. I see a Texas Longhorns Team who if anything are a bit below the radar this year. They were 10-3 last year and this year they are a little bit more mature, this is a team that lost to Oklahoma by a touchdown last year. So much like the deli meat I get at the grocery store I'm not sure how fres..I mean I'm not sure how clean cut this conference is, with everyone assuming Oklahoma is going to win. I just think, again like my deli meat, that there is more than meats the eye.

Big East - First of all I don't understand what's up with calling all these conferences the big something or other. It doesn't really add anything to the prestige of the conference. Second, and I truly believe this, the big east is the deepest conference in the nation. Top to bottom it is competitive and I believe last year only the Syracuse Orange and the Pittsburgh Panthers had losing records. This year Pitt is supposed to be a surprise team and Connecticut (Huskies), Cincinnati (Bearcats), South Florida (Hot women), Louisville (Cardinals), Rutgers (Scarlet Knights) and West Virginia (Mountaineers) are all good teams. It's a toss up really, I don't have any idea who is going to win this one, I'll have to see them all play. I can tell you though if I was a major BCS team in the country, I wouldn't want to see anyone from the Big East on the schedule.

Pacific 10 (Pac 10) - My new favorite conference! I could write all day about how there are teams that are good this year and whatnot. But the honest truth is that until someone can step up and actually challenge the University of Southern California Trojans (USC), then it's all just words. USC has the best recruiting every year, they have the most NFL stars, and also probably the best dance team. They play Ohio State in a couple of weeks and that will be a huge game. They could meet the Buckeyes again in the Rose Bowl at the end of the year. So all the Oregon's and Cal's and Arizona State's will all have to step up their game to even be close to USC.

South Eastern Conference (SEC) - This conference won 3 of the last 5 BCS national titles (and many people argue that Auburn got hosed in 2004). They are talked about and loved and ESPN just signed them to a big television deal. There are 6 real contenders for the conference championship and whomever wins this conference has a real chance at being in the National Title game regardless of their record really. Georgia (Bulldogs), Florida (Gators), Louisiana State (LSU Tigers), and Auburn (also Tigers) are all ranked in the Preseason top 10, Tennessee (Volunteers) and Alabama (Crimson Tide) are in the top 25 and South Carolina (Gamecocks) are one vote outside the top 25. So basically what I'm trying to convey (poorly) here is that there's some good teams in the SEC. I don't think any of them will be undefeated at the end of the year, but as we've seen in the past couple of years whomever wins the conference will pander to the media and get voted into the title game based on how good the conference is. I have no idea who will win it all, they all play one another for the most part, they all have good defenses and great athletes, they all have lots of people watching.

Games of the Week:
Appalachian State at #7 LSU - It's an interesting game because it is the defending national champions taking on the defending national champions (1-AA). Appalachian State surprised Michigan last year I don't think they will pull the same thing against LSU. If the Mountaineers do win then their QB Armanti Edwards will be in the Heisman race. But I suspect it won't be the case, it might be close for a half. LSU should win easily.

# 17 Virginia Tech at East Carolina - East Carolina has been talking trash for awhile, saying that VT was lucky to win by 10 last year. I think that will serve to enrage VT Incredible Hulk style. You probably wouldn't like them if they are angry. I think the biggest question will be how well VT's defense plays. Since they lost a ton of defensive talent to the NFL last year. I think VT wins by 10 or so.

Hawaii at # 5 Florida - Heisman Winner QB Tim Tebow is going to put up silly numbers against Hawaii. This game has potential because the Hawaii Rainbows or Warriors or whatever were a BCS team last year and they got beat like a umm non-Michael Phelps swimmer in a Michael Phelps race? Anyhow I don't have much faith in Hawaii given that 1) they are playing away form home where they are terrible 2) They lost their all world quarterback from a year ago and 3) They have a brand new head coach. I think Tim Tebow and the rest of the gators cruise easily against the slower Hawaii defense.

No. 3 USC at Virginia - I'm only including this game because so many people who read this are Virginia Cavalier fans. USC is pretty much going to rule them and it starts with QB Mark Sanchez, but really the USC defense is going to be overpowering like my body odor.

# 24 Alabama at # 9 Clemson - The Clemson Tigers always seem to falter when they are in the big game. They have amazing running backs in C.J. Spiller and James Davis who are comparable in many ways to Felix Jones and Darren McFadden of Arkansas last year. Clemson has a huge defensive line and Alabama will really try to stuff the ball down their throats on the edges, since it probably isn't a great idea to run at the Tigers 310 lbs Defensive Tackle Dorrell Scott unless you want a big hug! Alabama has a very good defense itself and they are very good against the run but for the life of me I can't figure out why the team is ranked so highly given that they lost all their starting receivers from last year and they were only 7-6. People are probably banking on slime ball coach Nick Saban and his great recruiting classes. Playing at home on national television is traditionally poison for Clemson, but I have a feeling that this year they will get it done. This could be a very boring game offensively though given how good the two defenses are supposed to be, so I wouldn't predict them lighting up the scoreboard unless they keep unplugging it and plugging it back in again.

# 20 Illinois at # 6 Missouri - Illinois rankings make no sense, they lost a running back but they still have QB Juice Williams who is a great runner as well, they went to the rose bowl last year how did they lose 10 or more places in the rankings. They should have a solid defense and enough talent to do better then 20th best in the country. Missouri has experienced senior QB Chase Daniel and Jeremy Maclin who is a hybrid Running back and Receiver/Monster. Last year this game was way under the radar, but it was pretty fun to watch. This year it's the game of the week, and I'm at a loss to pick. I tend to lean toward Missouri because they are playing at home and have the firepower to outscore all but the best defenses in the country. But Illinois and Juice Williams tend to be magicians. In the end I can't get over the fact that Illinois really didn't belong in the Rose Bowl against USC last year. That should have been Missouri's spot in a BCS game and I think Missouri might hold a grudge and win. Just like I hold a grudge against the sea…for taking my kite when I was a young child, I will eventually beat the ocean into submission.

Wednesday, August 27, 2008

Bass Ackwards Football Fantasy 8002

Maybe the best idea I've ever seen. backwards fantasy football. I want to start a league.

Roster Positions: QB, WR, RB, TE, W/R, K, DEF, BN, BN, BN, BN
Stat Categories: Completions (-2)
Incomplete Passes (8)
Passing Yards (50 yards per point; 50 points at 10 yards; -35 points at 75 yards; -65 points at 150 yards)
Passing Touchdowns (-8)
Interceptions (8)
Sacks (8)
Rushing Attempts (1)
Rushing Yards (20 yards per point; 25 points at 10 yards; -25 points at 50 yards; -50 points at 100 yards)
Rushing Touchdowns (-8)
Receptions (1)
Reception Yards (10 yards per point; 25 points at 10 yards; -25 points at 50 yards; -50 points at 100 yards)
Reception Touchdowns (-8)
2-Point Conversions (-4)
Fumbles (8)
Fumbles Lost (8)
Field Goals 0-19 Yards (-1)
Field Goals 20-29 Yards (-3)
Field Goals 30-39 Yards (-5)
Field Goals 40-49 Yards (-10)
Field Goals 50+ Yards (-25)
Field Goals Missed 0-19 Yards (75)
Field Goals Missed 20-29 Yards (50)
Field Goals Missed 30-39 Yards (25)
Field Goals Missed 40-49 Yards (10)
Field Goals Missed 50+ Yards (25)
Point After Attempt Missed (50)
Sack (-8)
Interception (-8)
Fumble Recovery (-8)
Touchdown (-8)
Safety (-16)
Block Kick (-16)
Points Allowed 0 points (-50)
Points Allowed 1-6 points (-25)
Points Allowed 7-13 points (10)
Points Allowed 14-20 points (25)
Points Allowed 21-27 points (50)
Points Allowed 28-34 points (75)
Points Allowed 35+ points (100)

Tuesday, August 26, 2008

Fitness Convo

F:"So what do you think is an attainable weight loss goal each week? How should I measure my success while trying to get healthier? I ask you because you have a successful track record of losing weight and working out and are just plain knowledgeable. In all honesty I don't even know what I weigh right now but it can not be good.
I think my ideal weight would probably be in the 250 range but I haven't seen that low of a number in a long time. I know I am never going to be skinny so I am just looking for healthy. "

M:

Well, weight loss is one way of measuring it. Anything too drastic and you aren't going to keep the weight off and it will just plain unhealthy. A pound or two a week is pretty good but what I would really concentrate on are other measures. Things like, your energy level or how do you feel are good indicators. Just get a notebook and keep it on you, have a morning afternoon and evening section and keep track of how you feel and what your energy is like. Then take notes for something exceptional like you couldn't sleep or what have you and that's why you felt off. This does two things, it keeps reminding you that you should be working out and feeling better, and two it makes you more conscious of what makes you feel bad and what have you. Maybe you had too much coffee or skipped a meal or something.

Another way of measuring these things is by setting metrics for yourself. Again keep a notebook. Let's say you run a mile on the treadmill every day (or something like it) see how fast you can do it, write down how easy it was and that kind of stuff. As you get progressively better it should be easier and easier and then you can run or bike or whatever further and further. The notebook again serves as a way to track this as well as keeping you honest about how much you are really doing. I measure how much my workouts drain me, and how I feel afterwards.

You should also keep track of what you are eating. This is actually the hardest one to do, because it is very very easy to lie to yourself and discount things. Some people think that you have to be strictly healthy every day of the week but honestly if you are consistently active you should be able to slide one or two meals a week that aren't the best for you. Or a night of heavy drinking. Just don't take too many meals off because that's where the extra fat comes from. I keep like no carbs around the house so that I won't be tempted to eat chips or whatever.

I would also think about what kinds of things you are doing at the gym, or how you are working out. All cardio on guys like us makes us look sloppy and we really need some weight training to look better. But it's the kind of weight training that is important. We're not training to be competitive athletes anymore, and I don't either of us is going into bodybuilding. So it becomes a question of how to lift correctly. The answer is that we need to worry about getting our heart rate up. Getting the blood really pumping because that's what's good for us in the long run. So what you need to start thinking about doing is lifts and exercises that make you really sweet and work. Things that combine legs and arms and core all in one exercise. The funny thing about those kinds of exercises is that most men's health magazines never really talk about them. You are more likely to find the good workouts in women's magazines. "Oxygen" is actually a really great one and they have good workouts and exercises that you can do to get a total body and heart workout.

The most important thing to remember is that you are going to look stupid as hell doing these kinds of workouts. I would just totally shut out the stares from people around you, don't care what they think. We're big guys, we can only help that to some extent. I know I sweat more than almost everyone at the gym, part of it is that I work really really hard at the gym, part of it is that I'm not a skinny little bitch. But I always have a towel covering equipment and I don't care that other people see me do non-conventional lifts and such. Some of them might even ask you about them and you can explain what you are doing and why. I get lots and lots of questions from curious people at the gym, and it's usually from people who seem generally interested in health, not in looking good.

The most important thing of all, and also the hardest, is keeping a consistent schedule. Both the eating and the workout schedule need to be constantly maintained and adhered to. When you skip a workout and have a big meal that breaks the rules, it's a double disservice to your plans. It's all about having the willpower to eat what you are supposed to be eating and staying away from things that are bad for you. It's also about knowing what is bad for you and how much you can have. Some people will completely forgo carbs and substitute protein and although it's ok in some cases, sometimes you are hurting your own health. Protein is great for you but sometimes you need better fuel to workout the way you want to. I for instance need a certain amount of carbs every day because I bike to work. If I don't have some real fuel to burn then my legs quit on me and the bike ride is mostly worthless. As for the workout schedule, it's important to keep things consistent, and at first rest days need to be frequent so that you are getting the best out of your workouts. It's hard at first to get into a workout schedule, and it's all about your willpower to say hey, I'm tired as hell from work, but I need to go workout. It takes a lot to do it but you really have to kick your ass at it and think about how much more energy you will have since you are working out. For us even more then most people because we work real jobs that take 10 hours or more out of our day.

The other thing about scheduling is sleep. You need to schedule 8-9 hours of regular sleep every day. This is my ultimate failing, and this is why I don't get nearly as much out of my health as I should considering how much I workout. I sleep way less then I should, and for a long time it was because I couldn't sleep more than 3 hours a night. Your body and your mind need that time to recover and give you the energy so that you can do what you need/want to do. Otherwise you are just spinning your wheels without going anywhere.

In the end it's small things that can make the difference. For example when I wake up every morning I do 100 pushups and 100 crunches. It take like 5 minutes tops to do something like that. It's like walking instead of taking a cab somewhere. Small things. Don't eat dessert, or don't have fries with that. Whatever.

My workout schedule in a 7 day week is as follows:
Monday: Bike ride to work, in the evening I go to the gym and work chest, triceps, abs, little bit of legs, calves, and lower back
Tuesday: Bike ride to work and try to sprint as much as I can on the bike, at home or at the gym at work I do biceps (which I fucking hate), shoulders, wrist and forearm, hamstrings, quads and abs, upper back.
Wed: No bike ride to work (to rest my legs), at night I go to the gym and do more reps of chest then I did on Monday, same with triceps, and abs.
Thursday: Basically the same as Tuesday
Friday: Bike ride (my legs are usually cooked by Friday), wide grip things same as Monday
Saturday: Misc. But I make sure I do something, whether it be volleyball or swimming in the morning or something. If I want to I do biceps and shoulders again. It's a good day to burn whatever you have left in the tank, so I may take a big bike ride I the morning or just go workout really hard.
Sunday: Rest, stretch, etc.

Thursday, August 14, 2008

More wrestling/MMA discussions

"plus from what i understand being NCAA champ means you're good, but olympic gold medalist is worlds away from NCAA level in wrestling, so Rulon should be able to handle brock. not to mention rulon can now completely escape toe holds 10% of the time, so he's got that advantage"

The important thing to remember is that the NCAA and the Olympics are different. Yes it is harder to win an Olympic (Greco-Roman or Freestyle) gold obviously, but it's also not the same kind of wrestling (folkstyle or collegiate) done in the NCAA. For years and years people have argued about why the United States hamstrings our olympic hopefuls in international competition by making them wrestle a style in high school and college that isn't recognized internationally. Typically the collegiate wrestlers who are good try to transition to Freestyle wrestling and that takes a year at least to make the adjustment. Recently a couple of wrestlers have opted to skip wrestling in college and go straight to training for international competition most notably Henry Cejudo who is on the current U.S. olympic team.

Greco-Roman style is mostly upper body on the feet and mat. It is illegal to hold the opponent below the belt, to make trips, and to attack the legs while standing. You see more throws in Greco-Roman because the traditional defenses to most throws are out of play (hooking the legs or grabbing legs etc.) On the mat the man on top still can't attack legs and the man on bottom usually never fights to improve position because doing so may open them up to a potentially match ending throw. The U.S. usually struggles with Greco-Roman and has only won 3 gold medals in the sport (I would say two since Rulon Gardner won his medal on some bullshit ass new rule but in the books it goes down on as a gold despite the fact that one of the greatest upsets in U.S. olympic history happened because of a minor technicality which had not existed in international competition prior to those Olympics. If that rule wasn't in place Rulon would have lost the match two seconds after that call would have happened.).

Freestyle allows the attacks on the legs in all positions. But some of the slick ass shit that U.S. wrestlers pull in folkstyle would result in instant back points in freestyle. You can also lock your hands together from the top position whereas you cannot in folkstyle, please don't ask me to explain this further. Defense from the bottom position consists of laying there and trying to make sure your opponent doesn't flip you over. In international competition the U.S. has much more success in the Olympics (John Smith, Dan Gable, Cael Sanderson, Kurt Angle, etc.)

Collegiate (folkstyle) wrestling emphasizes all different positions and it is typically more wide open in terms of moves than Greco-Roman or Freestyle. There is almost equal emphasis on standing positions as well as mat wrestling, and the huge difference from Freestyle and Greco-Roman really comes in when people are in the bottom position. In collegiate wrestling the man on bottom is encouraged (required) to try and improve his position either by standing and facing his opponent or reversing him. Also the top position is different from freestyle in that you are slightly restricted from doing certain things. On the feet everything is in play, takedowns, sweeps, throws etc.

From a wrestling standpoint collegiate is a more "complete" wrestling style, meaning that there is a wider library of moves available, largely stemming from the bottom position's requirement to try and score rather then sit there and try to not be turned. There are also several moves in collegiate wrestling that are doable because of differences in scoring. Freestyle and Greco-Roman have several throws that not legal in collegiate (full on suplex for one) and a series of moves from the top that are available due to the ability to lock hands. From a MMA point of view the broad generalizations would be that greco guys would be good in the clinch (Randy Couture) freestyle guys would be good at take downs (GSP trains with the Canadian freestyle team), and collegiate guys would be like every wrestler you see that wasn't part of the Olympic team (huge list).

All things being equal (conditioning etc) Rulon might actually lose to Brock depending on what kind of wrestling match it was. Rulon hasn't had to defend his legs from a takedown in years. Throwing Brock wouldn't be as easy as it seems. I think Rulon would win but I'm just saying that he might lose to Brock.

Thursday, August 7, 2008

August 7th discussion

F:
Martin,
So what are your thoughts on the UFC event this weekend? Is this really a make or break night for Brock Lesnar like people are saying? Do you think he has a good chance at winning? What do you think about Tito Ortiz signing a ludicrous deal with Affliction to be their poster child? Also, I guess the Bucs looked at the situation like we did and realized that an interception throwing machine was not the way to go with the team and let the Jets take him. Thoughts?

M:

Tito sucks, he's not any good and hasn't beat anybody good in like 7 years. So affliction will put him up against a bunch of cans and he'll look all amazing but he sucks out loud. Lyoto Machida owned the shit out of him in his last fight and Rashad Evans would have beaten Tito in a rematch. On the other hand him and Jemma Jamison are having a child so I'm sure that will bring some more free advertising to affliction.

It is a make or break night for Lesnar and I'd be a little surprised if he lost to Herring. Then again Herring can be tricky depending on his mood. Lesnar needs to win because he's getting paid alot of money to pull in viewers and if he gets punked again the wrestling crowd will stop watching. But again I question putting him up against another very experienced veteran like they did against Frank Mir. I really really want to see the other fights, Huerta-Florian could be fucking amazing, those guys never get tired. GSP-Fitch could be alot of fun depending on how well Fitch gameplans, but there is no reason it won't be an entertaining fight. GSP is a better wrestler than Fitch and I'll guarantee they won't mention it once on the broadcast, it will be all about how Fitch was on the Purdue wrestling team. If Fitch tries to fight GSP like Josh Koshcheck did then Fitch is going to get dominated and we'll get to hear more of GSP's funny French-Canadian english. I've had both those fights on my calender forever. I'm a huge fan of Huerta and Fitch, and GSP is just a cool guy. I am really excited for this card.

The why Farve shouldn't have gone to Tampa Bay argument is best summed up thusly. Jeff Garcia is better now then Brett Farve both at the age of 38. Garcia has lead both the Bucs and the Eagles to the playoffs in the last two seasons.

Garcia in the last two years:
2006: 61.7% Completion rate 10TD 2INT Playoff win with the Eagles, came within 3 points of the NFC championship.
2007: 63.9% Completion rate 13TD 4INT Made playoffs lost to eventual superbowl champions.

Farve:
2006: 56% Completion rate 18TD 18INT No playoffs.
2007: 66.5% Completion rate 28TD 15INT Win one playoff game and threw an INT to end the season in OT of the NFC title game.

Plus Favre has lost about half a dozen steps the past couple years. Hell, McCarthy basically gave him the Vince Young playbook last year.
The Jets can have him, we all know who the class in that division is the Jets at best are playing for the last wildcard spot although that will more then likely be occupied by two teams from the AFC South anyhow so....have fun Brett, I think history will show him as a spoiled self centered brat about this whole thing. I feel bad for the packers.