Throws discussion

Fun discussion about throws on the internet:
Mobn:
"Greco frankly offers a lot more control to the wrestler in terms of where they land out of the takedown. GSP's style more often than not lands him in guard and requires him to pass. I think we can all agree that Silva's guard has proven dangerous."
Me:
Incorrect given that all of the takedowns in Greco are throws and not leg attacks. It's actually quite difficult to control an opponent you've thrown using just your upper body as leverage. It just so happens that in Greco style competition they don't scramble out of a takedown, they lie on their stomachs so that they don't give up more points. Whereas with a freestyle double leg takedown you have control of your opponents legs at least for a moment and a good takedown will involve resetting your hips so that you can either get behind the person, or into some kind of mount of half guard. Your legs are more powerful then your arms by far, greco takedowns leave the legs open to do as they please while the throw is taking place. Most great wrestlers while they are getting thrown (well to be fair a great wrestler doesn't usually get thrown) are adjusting their body to be in a better position before they land, and since their legs are free there is plenty to do. Whereas when you are getting taken down with a double you can't really do much till you land, scoot your hips out and headlock or try to get in guard, or if it's actual wrestling give up your back. Now Judo throws on the other hand...
Mobn:
"But a Greco throw gives you much better control over where you land in relation to their upper body, as you can control it the whole way down, resulting in landing in side control against a less competent wrestler. I still say that Hendo's style is more likely than GSP's to land in a dominant position, especially considering Anderson's ability to quickly grab guard back from an unwary opponent. "
Me:
Ok I guess, but a greco takedown is also much more likely to not result in a takedown period. A great double leg you can control exactly where you are but you are less likely to land in full mount or side mount.
Elmo Oxygen (on responding to "Now Judo throws on the other hand... ":
"Keep going, this is a pearl of interesting reading in a slop trough full of MMA thread. "
Me:
Judo throws are typically the most controlled throws. You use legs, you use arms, you use weight transfer. Think about the Judo guys you see in MMA, Karo would be the one that comes to my mind first. When he usually executes a throw, it looks big and he uses both his upper body and legs for leverage to get momentum going. He also locks up parts of the opponents body during the throw so that they can be controlled when you hit the ground. You can also execute them pretty much from any standing position. There are so many different Judo throws it's ungodly, there were apparently 40 originally developed but goodness knows how many there really are, and you really have to be good at scrambling if you get thrown because when you land more often then not you are exactly where the Judo guy wanted you to be. In MMA Judo throws typically allow the thrower to control everything that is about to happen because unless you have a strong Judo or wrestling with throw background the tendancy is to just go with the flow, get the wind knocked out of you, or be outright confused. If you've never been thrown by a Judo guy just try to imagine, "All of a sudden you aren't on your feet, and you are flying, and oh look there's the ground how the hell did I get here? Oh gosh that hurt, what is going on?" If you aren't used to defending it you cna get very disoriented.Wrestling (in the US) at lower levels of competition doesn't have alot of throws, but some coaches teach a simple head and arm throw as the first or second move because it can easily win a match and take an inexperienced guy out of their gameplan in an instant. All the fastest pins I ever got were by going straight for a head and arm and pinning someone second later. Judo is lots and lots of throws, here's a small list: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judo_techniques